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<< The Trials
Friday, February 25, 2000 / Trial 2 / Day 21

• Page 47: Closing Arguments
  
• Verdict Sheet
  
• 1:35PM: Jury deliberations begin
  
• 4:25PM Verdict Read; Syed convicted of:
  
  • First Degree Murder (Life)
  • Kidnapping (30 years, consecutive to life)
  • False imprisonment and robbery (10 years, concurrent with kidnapping)
• Rabia remembers going down to see Adnan that same evening, and says that's when Adnan gave her Asia's letters, (according to Serial podcast.) Adnan remembers calling Rabia on the phone, telling her about the letters, and mailing them to her.
  

Saturday, February 26, 2000

• Baltimore Sun:
  
  • Jury finds teen guilty of killing ex-girlfriend; Adnan Masud Syed faces possible life term for Hae Min Lee's death
  • Jury Finds Teen Guilty of Kiling Ex-Girfriend

Monday, February 28, 2000

• Memo from Gutierrez Associate Rita P. to Gutierrez
  
  • Adnan has called and he is requesting Patuxent. Rita reminds that Patuxent isn't taking lifers.
  • Adnan has told Rita that he wants Gutierrez to handle his appeal.
  • Adnan would like to meet with Gutierrez before sentencing.
  • Rabia has called and wants to set up a meeting ASAP.
  • [No mention of Asia.]
• Rabia, Shamim and Tanveer meet with Gutierrez who has reluctantly agreed to meet them. If they discussed Asia, Rabia did not include this information in her memo to the mosque re; new witnesses.
  
• Adnan writes a letter to Yusuf
  
• Approximate: Rabia mails Adnan sentencing guidelines and information about prosecutorial misconduct.
  
• Adnan has been in jail/prison for one year.
  

Tuesday, February 29, 2000

• According to Rabia, NBC's Dateline airs an episode about a wrongfully convicted man.

Wednesday, March 1, 2000

• Rabia Memo updates the Masjid Committee re; the meeting with Gutierrez.
  
  • Rabia suggests pressuring witnesses, but doesn't mention Asia.
  • Rabia tells the Masjid Committee: "At appeal it is generally suggested a different attorney is used rather than the trial attorney. This was even suggested by Ms. Gutierrez herself." Fourteen years later Rabia told Sarah Koenig that she thought Gutierrez bungled the trial on purpose, so she could make money off the appeal.
• Upon conviction, Adnan parents and mosque had paid $95,800 to Gutierrez's firm and there was an outstanding balance of $57,292.
  

Friday, March 3, 2000

• Gutierrez visits Adnan re: his appeal.
  
  • Her last prison visit was on September 17, 1999, before the trial.
  • March 3, 2000 is Gutierrez's eighth and final face to face (prison) meeting with Adnan.
  • Did they discuss Asia?

Saturday, March 4, 2000

• According to Adnan (Rabia's book), this weekend is the first time he told Rabia about Asia's letters (despite what Rabia told Sarah.) In Serial, Rabia says she received Asia's letters from Adnan on Friday, February 27.)
  
  • Letter from Adnan to Rabia
  • Doesn't mention Asia or her letters.
  • Adnan has received the sentencing guidelines and information about prosecutorial misconduct, that Rabia mailed him.

Monday, March 6, 2000

• Cristina Gutierrez files Motion for new trial. Issues raised:
  
  • Adnan's due process rights were violated when Judge Heard refused to let the jury know that Jay did not plead guilty to accessory after the fact.
  • Judge Heard refused to allow Adnan to prove that Jay's plea agreement included unwritten benefits.
  • State didn't disclose Jay's plea agreement prior to the trial.
  • Verdicts were "against the weight of the evidence."
  • There was insufficient evidence to sustain the convictions.
  • Heard improperly restricted the defense's presentation of its case.
• Approximate: According to Adnan, this is when he mails copies of Asia's letters to Rabia
  

Wednesday, March 8, 2000

• Jay's driver's license is suspended by the DMV for failure to appear on three traffic citations.

Friday, March 17, 2000

• Approximate: According to Rabia's book, she received Asia's letters -- via the mail from Adnan -- "a couple of weeks" after March 4. (In 2014, Rabia said that Adnan gave her the letters the same afternoon he was convicted.)
  
• Approximate: Rabia's To Do List includes getting Asia to sign an affidavit
  

Saturday, March 25, 2000

• Rabia and Saad track down Asia. Rabia and Saad drive Asia to a check cashing place to sign an "affidavit".
  
• This affidavit narrowed the alibi to 2:40PM based on Murphy's closing arguments.
  

Thursday, March 30, 2000

• Adnan's parents write letter to Gutierrez, imploring her to use Asia's affidavit. No mention of Asia's letters.
  
• Adnan's letter to Gutierrez asking her to use Asia in a motion for a new trial. No mention of Asia's letters.
  

Friday, March 31, 2000

• Approximate: Rabia weighs possible outcomes of not firing Gutierrez

Saturday, April 1, 2000

• Gutierrez receives Adnan's letter.

Monday, April 3, 2000

• Adnan's parents write a letter to Judge Heard asking to postpone sentencing (and motion for a new trial) because Gutierrez had just been fired. (Letter received Tuesday, April 4?) No mention of Asia's letters.

Wednesday, April 5, 2000

• According to Adnan, the motion for a new trial was to have been argued on April 5.
  
• According to Judge Welch:
  

  The sentencing proceeding was scheduled for April 5, 2000. On that date, Judge Heard granted Petitioner's request to dismiss M. Cristina Gutierrez as Petitioner's counsel, and agreed to postpone the sentencing so that Petitioner's new attorney had time to adequately prepare.
  During the [April 5] proceedings, Judge Heard indicated that while she would not normally have the authority to remove Ms. Gutierrez as petitioner's attorney, the administrative judge, Judge Mitchell, granted Heard limited authority to hear Petitioner's request.
  

Sunday, May 21, 2000

• Adnan's 19th Birthday (Second birthday celebrated in prison.)

Monday, May 29, 2000

• Jet magazine issue with this photo is published and makes its way to the holding area for inmates in the "bullpen."

Tuesday, June 6, 2000

• Adnan is sitting in the "bullpen," waiting to be sentenced. He writes to Krista:
  

  You know what’s really weird? I was looking through this Jet magazine, in case you didn’t know it features African-American issues. -- Adnan tells Krista that Hae had been appearing in his dreams, and that dreams like this have a certain significance in Islam. Adnan writes that he was looking through this Jet magazine and he does a double take because the girl looks so much like Hae. Even her watch looks like Hae’s watch. Adnan writes: Take a look at it and tell me what you think. I hope I’m not going crazy.
  

• Sentencing hearing with Judge Heard: Transcripts (courtesy of redditor stop_saying_right, after Rabia refused to share.)
  
  • Adnan represented by Charles Dorsey.
  • Adnan maintains his innocence, despite Dorsey asking for leniency for a "crime of passion."
  • Adnan sentenced to:
  • Life in prison for 1st Degree Murder
  • 30 years for kidnapping (consecutive to murder)
  • 10 years for robbery (concurrent with kidnapping)
• Motion for new trial denied: This motion was filed March 6 by Gutierrez. Dorsey didn't argue in support of this motion. He may not have been aware of it. Even Heard was surprised by the lack of response from Dorsey as to the motion for new trial.
  
• Application for Leave of Appeal his sentence filed in Court of Special Appeals (CoSA) MD.
  
• Maryland law allows only 10 years from the date of sentencing to file the PCR motion.
  

Wednesday, June 7, 2000

• Baltimore Sun:
  
  • 19-year-old gets life sentence for killing former girlfriend
  • 19-year-old gets life sentence for killing former girlfriend
• Approximate: Thiru Vignarajah receives a a master's degree from King's College in medical ethics and law.
  

Wednesday, June 14, 2000

• Adnan writes to Rabia about the sentencing hearing. Adnan refers to his attorney as "This genius, Dorsey..."
  
• Adnan writes to Krista, referring to Dorsey as a "jerk."
  

  Sarah Koenig: Eight days later, post sentencing, [Adnan] writes Krista another letter and he’s so changed. By this time, he’d fired Gutierrez over the Asia letters and he’s being represented by a public defender he doesn’t really know. Adnan tells the guy [Dorsey] he wants to tell the court he did not kill Hae and that he is going to continue to fight this until the end. That’s what he says in his letter to Krista, and [Dorsey] says "No, no, no, terrible idea. Don’t say you’re innocent, it will anger the judge.” Adnan argues with [Dorsey], and according to Adnan, [Dorsey] says, “Well you can do it if you want but you’re just going to fuck yourself over.”
  

Thursday, July 6, 2000

• Jay's Sentencing Hearing. Jay receives a suspended sentence, not the two years prison per the plea agreement.
  
  • Case Information Sheet
  • Criminal Information Sheet
  • Stephanie and Jay have been broken up for over a year. But she is present in courtroom.
  • Adnan's appeal argues that if the trial jury had known Jay would get probation only, they would have thought this motivated Jay to lie. The defense implies that Jay knew he wasn't going to prison. But Jay didn't know. Jay thought he would get five years -- two, at the minimum.

Friday, July 28, 2000

• Public Defender Charles Dorsey files motion for modification of Adnan's sentence. The 2011 supplement to the petition for post conviction relief claims that Dorsey wasted Adnan's one chance for sentence modification, and should have waited.

Wednesday, August 2, 2000

• Judge Heard denies motion for sentence modification

August, 2000

• Jay owns a motorcycle, and the registration expires during this month

September 13, 2000

• 5PM: Jay is pulled over because the tags on his motorcycle have expired.

Sunday, October 15, 2000

• Hae Min Lee 20th Birthday

Monday, October 16, 2000

• Adnan writes to Rabia about Stephanie.
  

  Adnan has been thinking a lot about Stephanie and thinks that Stephanie knows something, or could shed a light on things. Adnan isn't comfortable reaching out to Stephanie. So, he has asked Krista to help. But, Krista doesn't really like Stephanie. Adnan doesn't feel comfortable writing questions for Krista to ask Stephanie. So, he's going to have Krista come visit, and tell Krista - in person - what to ask Stephanie. Then Krista will reach out to Stephanie via email, and act as a go-between Stephanie and Adnan. Adnan wants to make sure Rabia knows this is why there is a girl on his visitors list. Apparently, girls have wanted to visit Adnan before, but he didn't want his mother to cross paths with any female visitors.
  

February 28, 2001

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for two years

Monday, May 21, 2001

• Adnan's 20th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan begins working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: at Jessup, Adnan had a good job. He was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier. Being an entrepreneurial sort he ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

Thursday, May 24, 2001

• Gutierrez was disbarred on May 24, 2001, at the age of 50.
  

  The state Court of Appeals ordered her "disbarred by consent" May 24, after Gutierrez agreed to resign rather than fight complaints filed against her with the state Attorney Grievance Commission...
  

June 2, 2001

• Baltimore Sun: Lawyer Gutierrez agrees to disbarment - byline Sarah Koenig
  

  "As she got progressively sicker, she found it increasingly hard to make communications with the clients," Pettit said. "I never got any indication that there was any kind of error or incompetence. It was all about her being sick."
  

Thursday, July 19, 2001

• Baltimore Sun: Attorney is drawing numerous complaints - byline Sarah Koenig
  

  Over 20 people filed claims against Gutierrez with the Clients' Security Trust Fund
  

  • Tanveer says Adnan's family didn't see this article, or they might have filed, too.
  • Rabia says that Adnan knew all about this fund and applied to get reimbursed, but was denied.

Tuesday, September 11, 2001

• Unrelated: Two hijacked aircraft crash into the World Trade Center in New York City, while a third smashes into The Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, and a fourth into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks by 19 members of al-Qaeda. In total 2,996 people are killed.

Wednesday, September 19, 2001

• Adnan's Honda has been returned to his family.

Wednesday, September 25, 2001

• Despite the fact that Adnan has been regularly writing to Krista, Adnan writes to Saad that wants to start writing to non-Muslims.

Monday, October 15, 2001

• Hae Min Lee 21st Birthday

January 15, 2002

• Adnan writes Rabia about (1) prayer, (2) a time before his dad started "losing it," (3) how Saad's car was stolen with a bunch of TVs inside, (4) how he hasn't been molested in prison. Adnan wants to know why Rabia and Saad don't visit him any more.

Wednesday, February 27, 2002

• Adnan's Appeal Brief filed by Attorney Warren A. Brown Issues raised:
  
  • Prosecutorial misconduct & Brady rule
  • Did court prevent Adnan from presenting evidence
  • Hearsay based on prejudicial nature of Hae's letter
  • Admission of Hae's diary
  • No mention of Asia's letters.

Thursday, February 28, 2002

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for three years.

Tuesday, April 30, 2002

• State's Response to Adnan's Appeal

May 6, 2002

• Adnan write Rabia about the pending appeal decision.
  

  He tells Rabia that oral arguments are scheduled for June 3, and even though Adnan's Dad will be there, Adnan asks Rabia if she will please go. Adnan writes that he really needs Rabia and that Warren A. Brown is an asshole. Adnan says that he understands Rabia is studying for the bar, has an ongoing custody dispute, and is job-hunting. It's okay if she's too busy because he knows she would come if she could.
  

Spring, 2002

• WHS Class of 2002 prints a Memorial to Hae in their yearbook.

June 3, 2002

• Oral arguments heard with respects to Adnan's appeal.

Tuesday, May 21, 2002

• Adnan's 21st Birthday
  
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.
• Undated 2002 photo of Adnan visited by Rabia and Saad
  

September, 2002

• Approximate: Thiru Vignarajah begins attending Harvard Law School

Tuesday, October 15, 2002

• Hae Min Lee 22nd Birthday

February 28, 2003

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for four years.

Monday, March 19, 2003

• Adnan's Appeal Denied by Justice John J. Bishop, Jr..
  
  • Justice John J. Bishop, Jr. Bio
  • Adnan's petition for post conviction relief should have been filed within one year of this date.
  • Inexplicably, Adnan waited seven years between this date and filing for post conviction relief. Maryland law allows no more than 10 years from sentencing to file for PCR. Asia's affidavit was obtained in 2000.
  • Rabia wrote in her book that Adnan felt burned by the system, exhausted of funds, and didn't want to use up his last available option. He wanted to hold onto hope.
  • In 2014, after the first two episodes of Serial were released, Rabia lied to the readers of her blog. She told them that Adnan was forced to wait 10 years to apply for post conviction relief. But Rabid knew that Adnan could file in 2003, and she knew why he waited. In 2014, Rabia didn't want anyone to know that spending seven years in prison doing nothing was Adnan's choice, and strategy.

Date Unknown

• Adnan files a Pro Se petition for Writ of Certiorari. In 2004, Adnan wrote Rabia that he filed this himself, and it was denied.

Wednesday, May 21, 2003

• Adnan's 22nd Birthday
  
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

June 20, 2003

• The Court of Appeals denies Syed's Pro Se petition for Writ of Certiorari.

August/September, 2003

• Approximate: C. Justin Brown -- who graduated Cornell University in 1992, enrolls in the University of Maryland, School of Law. [Does anyone know the exact date?]

Wednesday, October 15, 2003

• Hae Min Lee 23rdBirthday

Thursday, January 29, 2004

• Cristina Gutierrez date of death (heart attack)

Approximate, 2004

• Asia is working for JMP and moonlighting as a stripper. She is eventually fired from JMP for poor performance. Court filing here here.
  
• According to Justin Brown: Adnan's family took possession of Gutierrez's defense files at some point in 2004, after Gutierrez passed away. Brown says that he took possession of copies of Gutierrez's files in 2009. For at least five years, Adnan's family had sole custody of the defense file. Hence the term: "the remnants of the defense file."
  
• According to Adnan's July 2009 letter to Rabia, at some point in 2004, Chris Flohr recommended the firm Nathans & Biddle for his application for post conviction relief.
  

February 28, 2004

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for five years.

March 1, 2004

• Thiru Vignarajah named President of the Harvard Law Review

Friday, May 21, 2004

• Adnan's 23rd Birthday
  
  • Approximate: In the Spring of 2004, Adnan gets a cell phone. Over the next five years, Adnan has several cell phones. At least one of the phones was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

July, 2004

• By July of 2004, if not earlier, Asia has hired an attorney to represent her as she seeks to sue her former employer for discrimination.

July 27, 2004

• Baltimore Sun re; Jada Lambert's killer: DNA match results in conviction in 1998 rape, murder

Friday, September 24, 2004

• Adnan receives Fundraiser Participation Award
  
• Adnan receives Volunteer Activity Coordinator's Award
  

Friday, October 15, 2004

• Hae Min Lee 24th birthday

Sunday, November 28, 2004

• Adnan writes Rabia:
  
  • He is going to wait as long as possible to file for Post Conviction Relief. He wants to take nine years to research his case, and then hire a post conviction lawyer.
  • [Ten years later, in 2014, Rabia lied to readers of her blog, writing that Adnan had to wait ten years before he could file for PCR.]
  • He is not going to pursue the brain mapping idea presented by Chris Flohr.
  • [Rabia writes in her book that they didn't pursue this brain mapping idea because Justin Brown wouldn't want anything distracting from the PCR. Trouble is, Justin Brown didn't graduate from law school until 2005, and wasn't Adnan's attorney until years after the decision was made not to pursue brain mapping.]

Thursday, December 2, 2004

• Testing:
  
  • Adnan's blood and hair out for testing
  • Reason for testing?

Monday, December 6, 2004

• Adnan's blood and hair returned to evidence.

December 24, 2004

• Having retained an attorney in the summer of 2004, Asia McClain files a lawsuit against her former employer, James M Pleasants Company, alleging that she had been discriminated against her on the basis of race, and retaliated against for complaining about racial discrimination in the workplace. Court filing here.

January 2, 2005

• Asia stops communicating with the attorney she has engaged to represent her in her lawsuit against JMP.
  
• Approximate: Thiru is a clerk for United States Circuit Court Judge Guido Calabresi
  

February 28, 2005

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for six years.

April 20, 2005

• Hae's fingernails, hair, and swabs out for testing.

April 21, 2005

• Hae's fingernails, hair, and swabs returned to evidence. Not out long enough to test. Taken out by mistake?

April 28, 2005

• Asia and James M. Pleasants company submit a joint rule report. On an unknown date, Asia acknowledged that she was moonlighting as an exotic dancer from 9pm-3:30am on days when she worked for JMP.
  
• This issue is not that Asia worked as a stripper.
  

May 2, 2005

• A "rule order" is entered by the Court in the matter of Asia's lawsuit against JMP.

Saturday, May 21, 2005

• Adnan's 24th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: Adnan has had a cell phone for a year, and gets a new t-mobile cell phone. This is his second cell phone. He uses the first cell phone to call T-mobile customer support when he can't get the t-mobile cell phone to work. At least one of the phones was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

June 3, 2005

• Asia's attorney withdraws based on the fact that he hasn't heard from Asia since January 1, 2005.

June, 2005

• Approximate: Thiru Vignarajah graduates Harvard Law.
  
• Approximate: C. Justin Brown graduates from University of Maryland School of Law. [Does anyone know the exact date?]
  
• Approximate: After graduating law school, C. Justin Brown clerks for Andre M. Davis, U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. [Does anyone know the exact date?]
  

Saturday, October 15, 2005

• Hae Min Lee 25th birthday

Saturday, December 9, 2005

• Adnan receives Certificate of Appreciation
  
• Adnan receives Distinguished Gentleman Award
  

January, 2006

• Thiru clerks for United States Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer

February 2, 2006

• Asia's lawsuit is dismissed as neither her attorney, the court, nor the defendant has heard from her since January of 2005.
  
  • [Asia] has failed to respond to JMP's Motion to Dismiss in any way, after she was warned by the Court that failure to respond or participate would result in dismissal of this action. Given [Asia's] complete failure to respond or participate meaningfully in this case and her violation of the Court’s orders, the Court concludes that dismissal pursuant to Rules 37 and 41 is appropriate, and that no less drastic sanction would be effective.

February 28, 2006

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for seven years.
  
• Approximate: At some point in 2006, Justin Brown passes the Maryland State Bar Exam. Exact month unknown. Bar exams are given in February and July. [Does anyone know the exact date?]
  

Sunday, May 21, 2006

• Adnan's 25th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: Adnan has had a cell phone for two years. At least one of the phones he has had was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

September, 2006

• Approximate: C. Justin Brown begins working at Nathans & Biddle as an Associate. [Does anyone know the exact date?]

Saturday, September 2, 2006

• Adnan receives Fundraiser Participation Award at Jessup.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006

• Since prison officials still don't know about the cell phone, Adnan receives Certificate of Achievement for going three years without an infraction.
  
• Adnan receives Volunteer Activity Coordinator Award at Jessup.
  

Sunday, October 15, 2006

• Hae Min Lee 26th birthday

January, 2007

• Thiru clerks for United States Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer

February 28, 2007

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for eight years.

Monday, May 21, 2007

• Adnan's 26th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: Adnan has had a cell phone for three years. At least one of the phones he has had was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates. Over eight years, he is able to save up $10,000.00
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

Monday, October 15, 2007

• Hae Min Lee 27th birthday

December 4, 2007

• Since prison officials still don't know about the cell phone, Adnan receives Certificate of Achievement for three years of being infraction free.
  
• Approximate: Thiru finishes two years of as clerk for United States Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer
  

January 13, 2008

• At Jessup, Adnan Receives Devoted Program Supporters Award Certificate
  
• Since prison officials still don't know about the cell phone and hustles, Adnan receives Certificate of Appreciation for being "infraction free" for three years.
  

January/February, 2008

• Kandra / Adnan's Wife:
  
  • Approximate: Adnan sends Kandra $10,000.00 - Rabia doesn't hear about this until it has already happened.
  • Approximate: Kandra visits Adnan and they are married by another inmate. Rabia doesn't hear about this until it has already happened.
  • Kandra begins helping Adnan with his case by doing computer searches and making copies.

February 28, 2008

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for nine years.

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

• Adnan's 27th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: Adnan has had a cell phone for four years. At least one of the phones he has had was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates.
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

• Baltimore Police Officer Lee emails Nathans & Biddle's C. Justin Brown: An item in evidence may have been destroyed. (Is this DNA?)

Saturday, October 15, 2008

• Hae Min Lee 28th birthday

Saturday, December 13, 2008

• Adnan receives Devoted Program Supporters Award in Jessup.

February 28, 2009

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for ten years.
  
• Photo of Adnan after ten years in prison
  

May, 2009-Approximate

• According to this letter, Justin Brown left Nathans & Biddle in the Spring of 2009, to start his own firm.

Thursday, May 21, 2009

• Adnan's 28th Birthday
  
  • Approximate: Adnan has had a cell phone for five years. At least one of the phones was smuggled in by a guard, in the hollowed out handle of a drill.
  • Approximate: According to Rabia, Adnan is still working hustles like making photocopies, trading, getting medicine, books and other contraband for other inmates.
  • Approximate: According to Sarah Koenig: Adnan was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier... He ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people.

June 9, 2009

• Adnan's attorney - Justin Brown - and Asia's future attorney - Gary Proctor - work together, on an unrelated case. This filing does not mention Nathans & Biddle. Does this indicate that by July of 2009, Justin Brown was no longer employed by Nathans & Biddle? [Does anyone know the exact date Justin Brown left Nathans & Biddle and started his own firm?]

June 20, 2009

• Adnan writes to Rabia that he has been moved to Supermax, in Cumberland, and no longer has the use of a cell phone.
  
• Adnan's 10/24/2016 request for bail indicates Adnan was cited for having a cellular phone in 2009. In SERIAL, Sarah Koenig said Adnan had a cell phone for five years.
  
• Kandra has only been able to visit Adnan four times during the year they were "married." After Adnan is moved to Supermax/Cumberland, Kandra never sees Adnan again.
  

July 14, 2009

• Adnan writes to Rabia that Larry Nathans will charge $30,000.00 just to look at transcripts. Adnan reminds Rabia that Larry Nathans was referred by Chris Flohr in 2004.
  
• Adnan writes that Justin Brown took the lead, then left Nathans & Biddle and started his own firm (about two months ago), and can charge Adnan less because of overhead.
  

Thursday, October 15, 2009

• Hae Min Lee 29th birthday

Winter, 2009

• Approximate: Justin Brown has said that he began working on Adnan's case in late 2009, while still at Nathans & Biddle.
  
  • This conflicts with the letter that Adnan wrote Rabia in July of 2009. In that letter Adnan says that Justin Brown took the lead on Adnan's case while at Nathans & Biddle, and started his own firm "about two months before" July of 2009.
  • Approximate: Justin Brown says that he took possession of copies of the defense files in 2009. [He did not say the month or date.]
  • Justin Brown is at least the 10th defense attorney to work on Adnan's case.
  • Unsubstantiated: Justin Brown filed a petition based on Asia's March 2005 affidavit, arguing that Adnan's trial might have gone another way if Gutierrez had checked out Asias' story. [No record of this affidavit exists.]

February 28, 2010

• Adnan has been in jail/prison for eleven years.

Early/Mid 2010

• Approximate: Justin Brown was still working for Nathans & Biddle in late 2009. This conflicts with the letter Adnan wrote to Rabia in July of 2009: That Justin Brown already started his own firm.

April 11, 2010

• Events described by various parties as follows:
  
  • Urick first PCR: Before Asia called him, he didn't know about the PCR motion. She was concerned if she had to come out here. I explained to her, I was not her attorney. But I told her that she would have to be served. And if she was served, and if they made the proper arrangements, she would have to show up.
  • Serial, Episode 1: Asia's fiancé comes to the door, opens it part way, tells the investigator that she cannot speak to Asia, but that from what he knows of Adnan's case, Adnan is guilty and deserved the punishment he got.
  • Rabia: Adnan’s PI returns with terrible news. Asia won’t testify. The PI never spoke to her, but her fiance made it very clear, in a very nasty way that suggested an anti-Muslim prejudice, that Asia would not be involved and to leave them alone . . . Faced with a tough decision, [Justin Brown] decides to submit [Asia's] letters but not subpeona her for the appeal hearing.
  • Asia Affidavit: In the late spring of 2010, I learned that the Syed defense team was attempting to contact me. I was initially caught off guard by this and did not talk to them.
  • 2016 PCR: Asia testified that her husband met the PI outside, then came inside and told her he thought it was about that girl that got killed. That she asked her husband to take the man's card, but she didn't talk to him. That she looked up the case on the internet, and called Kevin Urick. Asia says these are the notes she took during her April 11, 2010 conversation with Urick. Asia testified that Urick convinced her Adnan was guilty and that Brown was trying to play the system.

End of May, Approximate

• According to Rabia, Justin Brown asks Adnan to take a polygraph test to determine the likelihood that he is lying about having asked Gutierrez for a plea deal. According to Rabia, Adnan passes.

Friday, May 21, 2010

• Adnan's 29th Birthday.

[Post Conviction Timeline II>>]()

Couldn’t think of a better pirate name, sorry. Suggestions?
On Tuesday I want baby pictures. We will treat it like Sibling Sunday—it doesn’t have to be just your senior cat, but all the babies. Post as many as you like! If you are posting a picture from a critter waiting at the Rainbow Bridge with Choo Choo let’s do this (example)
Choo Choo (d). Easy enough?
I’d call out certain Kitties, but I’m not familiar with all, so let’s post:
Name (d if needed) Birthday or Adopt Day Current Age Photo
Hazel, I’m certain you’ll see her, gave me the idea!
If you want to post early feel free, I said Tuesday to give y’all some time. If this is popular we can make it a monthly feature. Let me know, please. Bring on the babies!!M
Let’s have fun!
:J

Hey Y’all,
Looking to move some stuff that I can’t fit into my regular rotation/can’t style without a lot of effort/ I’ve outgrown. Based in NYC and open to meeting up to save on shipping. Add $10 shipping to east coast and $15 to west coast. I’m 5’10” 180 and usually a size M is small for me but a size L is too big.
Paypal invoice only. Tagged photos and timestamp: https://imgur.com/a/jKSotxH
[[email protected]] Logo crewneck: Size XS - $50 OBO. Top quality from topacney as usual but this one is a bit too baggy on me unfortunately. Worn 1x fits as a very oversized M but prob TTS L tbh.
Purp!e jeans (retail) size 32 - $70 OBO. NWT and bought from a sample sale recently. These fit just a bit tight and are a slimmer fit (not skinny jeans though). Sample sales don’t allow for returns so looking to get rid of these.
Husky [email protected] Puffer: Size L - $80 OBO. Shit is as 1:1 as you’re gonna get. recently bought another puffer so don’t need this anymore. TTS L
Scotch and soda tee (retail): $40 OBO. Worn once but fits a bit tight unfortunately. TTS
Nike x Trav long sleeve (retail): $40 OBO. Nice and thick tee - also fits a bit tight so willing to let go.
K!th Lax shirts (black and brown): Size M - $20 each or take both for $35. Fabric quality is a bit worse than retail k!th but pretty decent shirts. TTS M
K!th coca cola shirt: size M - $30. Really nice embroidery on front and graphic on back. It’s just a bit small on me - fits big S or smaller M.
Eddie [email protected] lumberjack shirt (retail): Size L - $15 bought once for halloween and never worn again. TTS
Feel free to throw any offers out!

I know this sort of sounds like a first world problem, but I don’t know what to do. My daughter is turning 16 this year. We had discussed the original plan of taking some friends out to a nice dinner. I could swing that with some help from her dad. Apparently my ex brought up a Sweet 16 to her and discussed it and they decided to have this party before even discussing with me.
Background. I’ve been flying solo for these 16 years. He arrived his affair partner. My house, my bills mostly everything is on my salary alone. And I pay ALOT more for our daughter because she is with me most of the time. I also put earn him by 40k, so my child support sucks. It’s barely anything. He agreed to raise it after 16 years when I spoke to him that I can’t swing paying for everything anymore. It has been raised by $40/ month, I get a whopping $40/month with majority custody. But whatever.
The point is I actually have a good career but I have to work a second job to stay above water while getting to enjoy some things ( not many, and not vacations like he does) he took a second job to pay for all the extras he enjoys ( their time shares and he’s an avid concert goer). We live in the NY/NJ metropolitan area which leaves me broke.
Anyways, I got backed into having no choice but to do this party. It’s mostly his family ( I don’t really have family). He is a split it down to the cent 50/50 kind of guy. I was putting away for a small vacation for me and my daughter to have because I never get to take her. That money is now in the sweet 16 fund. We rented a space but need to do all the catering , Photo Booth, etc. I Don’t have the money! But what do I do? Not pay and not be at my daughter’s sweet 16? It would absolutely devastate her.
I’m really just so angry I’m backed j to a wall spending money I don’t have. My credit card debt is higher than I ever wanted it and now I see no other way.
I just want out my financial hole and now I’m digging deeper for my daughter to have this party that I really had no say in.
I don’t even think I came for advice because I am pot-committed now. I just came to vent.
16 years is a long time to coparenting and be solely financially responsible. I work so hard and so much and I have not much of a personal quality of life. I can move in 2 years and I’m counting down to the day I can sell this house and say good riddance and maybe work one job and enjoy life a bit.
Sorry for the bitch session, I know I’m fortunate to have a career and an income and a home. But it’s taken a lot of hard work and struggle to do this alone and I’m tired

Hello, and welcome to my sale!
I go by timestamps in this thread, so please do not message me until we have come to an agreement about pricing. I accept PayPal Goods and Services and will cover associated fees. I’ll hold items for a couple of hours unless you request differently, and will then move on to the next interested party if there is one. Some items may be posted on multiple platforms and I will usually go by timestamps across all platforms, but do reserve the right to prioritize buyers who will be purchasing multiple items.
Shipping starts at $5.00 for light items within the continental US and will increase with weight and distance. Palettes and nail polish are likely to cost more. I'm happy to ship internationally as long as you understand that postage can be costly. I do look for the best rates, domestic or international, and I ship quickly. Unfortunately, postage rates have increased and there’s only so much I can do. No minimum purchase.
I have marked a lot of things down significantly, including many $10 palettes, indie shadows in the $2-$6 range, and cut prices on everything. I can’t say for sure how much more flexibility I can offer, but try making me an offer rather than closing out and moving on!
I’ve added swatch pictures that I found online for many of the products that have glimmer, shimmer or shifts. Hopefully this helps show how beautiful and unique these products are!
$10 palette section! All palettes in this section are marked down to $10
Ace Beaute Falling for You palette, BNNU, $15
Alamar Cosmetics Spanglish Pressed Pigment palette, 3 colors swatched, $15
bh Cosmetics Run Wild x Tina Yong, 3 eye colors swatched. $12 this is heavy and will require more postage to send
Beauty Bakerie Sugar Cookies palette, most colors used 2 or 3 times, $20
Colourpop Salvaje palette, some colors used 2 or 3 times, $15
Colourpop Semi Precious, some light use, one color chipped, $12
Estee Edit The Gritty Eye Palette, 3 colors swatched once, $12
Juvia’s Place The Magic Minis , BNNU, $15
Juvia’s Place The Zulu, 3 colors swatched, $12
Notoriously Morbid Aim With My Eye palette, 3 colors swatched. $16.00
Pretty Vulgar Pretty Birdie, light use, $36
Sigma Warm Neutrals Vol. 2, 4 colors swatched, $15
Sydney Grace Chase Your Dreams, 2 colors swatched, $14
Violet Voss Drenched Metal palette, swatched but one color has a chip missing, $18
Violet Voss Essentials 2, BNNU, $12
Other Eyeshadow Palettes
Dia & Noche Once Upon a Time palette, 4 colors swatched, $5
Fantasy Cosmetica Bard palette, Never used but arrived with middle shade shattered. Retails for $38.99. $20
Fenty Beauty Snap Shadows Mix & Match eyeshadow palette in Cadet, used 3-4 times at most, Retails for $30 . $18
Kat von D Serpentina palette, some light use, missing loose pigment. will need extra shipping $20
KimChi Chic Juicy Velvet palette; see swatch photos from Kimchi Site, BNNU, $12
Lethal Cosmetics Magnetic Pressed Powder Palette in Jolina, 3 or 4 colors swatched. $25
MAC Cosmetics Aaliyah eyeshadow palette, 4 colors swatched, $18
Peach Queen We’re All Mad Here, 3 colors swatched. Sold out on site $20
Pink Crush Cosmetics Nocturnal Garden palette, brand new, $22
Pinky Rose Cosmetics Sunflower palette, most shades swatched once, $12
Sigma x Beauty Bird Dream Palette, most colors swatched, comes with brush, $25
Sugarpill Capsule Collection in black and orange versions, each swatched or 4 times, $22 each; both for $40
Urban Decay Urban Spectrum palette, 5 colors swatched, will require a couple of dollars extra to ship due to weight, $25
Viseart Golden Hour, usage shown, $25
Eyeshadow Singles, Eyeliner, etc.
About Face Matte Fluid Eye Paint (l - r) in It’s a Blitz and Vertigo Flowers. Swatched with clean, disposable brush. $11 each or both for $20
bh Cosmetics x DojaCat Cascade liquid eyeshadow in top - bottom Berry and Royal Blue, used 3 or 4 times each. $8 each or both for $15
Glossier Lidstar in Fawn, hard to tell how much is left even though I only used a few times, $8
JD Glow cosmetics L-R: Galaxy liner in Nocturnal; glitter tube in Poise; galaxy liner in Facetime. Each used up to 3x with clean, disposable brush. Retail for $9-10. $4 each; all 3 for $10
Indie shadow large pans $3 each
JD Glow 37mm metallon shadow in Bestie, swatched, $7
JD Glow 37mm metallon shadow in Blue Avenue, swatched, $7
Give Me Glow foiled pigment in Anastasia, swatched, $6
Give Me Glow ultra matte pigment in Dramatic, BNNU, $6
Give Me Glow ultra matte pigment in Tan Lines, BNNU, $6
Moira Cosmetics Lucent Cream Eyeshadow, L-R Cosmos, Earth, Nimbus, each BNIB, $5 each or all 3 for $12
Lipstick
Benefit California Kissin’ Color Balm in Poppy, swatched once with brush, $12
Fenty Gloss Bomb in Fenty Glow, BNNU, $6
Gucci lipstick Agatha Orange, swatched once with clean lip brush, $25 15
Lime Crime Wet Cherry Gloss in Pumpkin Pie, BNNU, $10
MAC lipstick in Chili, BNIB, $10
Mally x RuPaul Discotheque Lip Topper in Condragulations, bnnu, $8
MBA Cosmetics Glossy Glaze in Miss Monroe, still sealed, seller image here. $7
Pat McGrath Labs Bronze Astral Vinyl Gloss, 0.34 fl oz, $14
Highlighter
Becca Shimmering Skin Protector liquid in Opal, BN/still sealed, $10
Becca Shimmering Skin Protector pressed in Burnished Copper, BNNU, $12
Miscellaneous
Pulp Riot Blank Canvas Hair Color Remover, Unopened, 1.5 oz packet of powder. $6
Nail Polish all full size/13-15 ml unless otherwise stared. Will require extra shipping costs
Chanel Le Vernis in Délicatesse, an opaque rose-brown. BNNU, $20. Swatch photo not mine.
Chanel Le Vernis in Paparazzi, described as a “plummy brown with copper pearl. BNNU, $20. Swatch photo from Temptalia website.
Chaos and Crocodiles in Wishing Star Sky, probably a few years old. Swatch photo. $6
LynB Designs Fishing With No Bait, golden peach linear holo, used for one mani, $6 photo from blogger Naked Without Polish.
LynB Designs, L - R Sage It Ain’t So, Rustworthy, Gamboge You Don’t, all BNNU from Tonally Awesome collection. See pictures from site of Sage It Ain’t So, Rustworthy, and Gamboge You Don’t. $7 each, will bundle.
Moon Shine Mani Nail Polish. Click on shade for swatch photos. And Then There Were None , The Geller Cup, The King of Bad Thanksgivings, North by Northwest. BNNU, $8 each; will bundle multiples
OPI Visions of Georgia Greens, shimmery green/pink duochrome. BNNU, $6. blogger swatch photo
All Sally Hansen BNNU, now $5 each
Sally Hansen Color Therapy in Plum Euphoria, Multichrome shifts purple-blue-green. Swatch photo not mine
Sally Hansen Miracle Gel in Combustealable. Swatch photo not mine.
Sally Hansen Miracle Gel Hyp-nautical, blue/purple/fuchsia multichrome, See stock photo here
Perfume
I have a spreadsheet of indie sample and full-size perfumes/other indie products here if you are interested.

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False Friends
The colony was busy with activity, it was probably the most peaceful it had ever been ever since the foundation took control. The multipurpose room was transformed into a command center as MTF patrolled the halls, they never paid the WD’s anymind, the gray walls that were once bare spare a few posters, were now filled with activity as foundation propaganda promoting cooperation with the foundation painted them. Every WD was happy with this change, it took a little getting used to for some but it was a very good change of pace.
However some rooms in the deeper parts of the colony were transformed into prison cells, or containment chambers as the foundation called them. The cells held mostly MD’s that had tried their luck in sneaking in for some oil. However, one prisoner was different from the other’s.
“TELL ME! WHAT IS ANDERSON PLANNING!” Yelled a foundation interrogator at the female MD in front of him, he wore a suit and tie and looked tan in coloration. The room was transformed into a blank cell with a single hastily installed light dangling above, the MD was in the same cuffs that A was kept in, keeping her from using any of its MD abilities as it was chained to the table and her Oversized raincoat was lying in the corner. The MD had long pink hair up in a ponytail with two MD eyes instead of the typical 5 on either side of her head as opposed to being on top along with a horn that looked like it was made out of shrapnel. And wearing what seemed to be N’s coat but dark gray with a yellow stripe in the middle and a blueish-gray sweater underneath and also short shorts the same color as the jacket. Oddly enough among the injuries she had sustained the strangest thing on this MD were gray stockings covering her arms and legs up to the point the sleeves and shorts covered them.
“I SAID TELL ME DAMMIT! Or do you want solitary confinement?” The interrogator said again.
“…. Leave me alone.” The MD replied blankly, oil dripping from her still fresh wounds.
“Fine then, your choice. Take her away.” The interrogator said as he sighed. Just then two MTF in full combat gear came into the room and uncuffed the MD from the table. Strangely the MD offered no resistance as it kept its head down.
As the MD was taken away, above the prison sector were the civilian quarters. It was for the WD’s. As they walked around, enjoying themselves one stood out. Uzi, she was practicing her new abilities in her room with V as she lifted up a metal pipe.
“Ok, now just make it spin. REALLY fast. I’m talking crazy fast!” V said.
“No problem…. Just give me a second….” Said Uzi as the pipe began to move faster and faster.
Soon it was spinning so fast not even V could keep up with its speed. Suddenly Uzi lost control as it flung towards V, however V expertly caught it mid air before it hit her and rolled her eyes.
“That’s the fourth failed attempt….” V said as she sighed.
“Bite me, I'm trying my best!” Uzi replied.
“Ya…. Sure you are. Just over a day ago I saw you keeping up with that Klen guy single handedly and now you can’t even get this pipe spinning!” V said as she threw the pipe to the ground, it made an all too familiar sound as it hit the floor.
“I’m going to get some air….” Uzi said as she walked out.
“You mean walk around the colony pointlessly until you find Thad?” V replied.
“…. Ya….” Uzi said blankly as she walked out.
Meanwhile N was walking around, whistling to himself. “So…. Uhhhh…. Do you know how fast the foundation built all of this?”
“The foundation builds fast, we build entire facilities in months thanks to anomalous objects.” Jane said as she walked with him.
“What kind of objects?” N said.
“The ones that give resources and the ones that build them for you. In short, nano machines with an anomalous twist.” Jane replied.
“…. Neat!” N said.
Suddenly a man in a suit and tie came up to N, he was tan and walked with precision. “N, is that right?” He said as he walked up to N.
“Uh, yes that’s me!” N said as he saluted out of almost instinct.
The man gave him the single to drop his hand as he spoke again. “The prisoner you and alpha 1 brought here has been uncooperative, however we suspect it or she, whatever you want to call the MD, will only speak to you.”
“How did you come to that conclusion?” Jane said.
“I’m an interrogator, I notice things the normal soldier doesn’t, the prisoner has a coat similar to his own and seems to have a strange obsession with him. We have found photos of N dating all the way back to the start of the MD’s arrival on the exo planet.” He replied.
“We’ll…. What should I do?” N said.
“Come down with us to the prison sector. Don’t worry with the amount of guards we have down there even if one of the prisoners escaped they wouldn’t get far let alone close to you. You are also welcome to come, Jane.” He replied.
“We’ll…. I have zero idea where that is!” N said.
Jane sighed before saying. “Just follow me.”
As N followed Jane and the interrogator through the hallways, they eventually came across a large pair of double doors with a card reader guarded by two men in full tactical gear. They looked about a full foot taller than N as they looked down at him. The interrogator just showed what looked like a keycard to the men as they checked it, one of the men then swiped his card on the card reader before the doors opened and they stepped to the side.
Inside was a long hallway with the foundation insignia on the wall, appearing every few feet. On the sides of the hallway were what looked like prison cells with panels next to them, however instead of bars were what looked like some kind of energy shields stopping the prisoners from escaping. Inside the cells were almost no furniture except for beds, the occupants were all MD’s, all of them wearing orange jumpsuits and what looked to be glowing bracelets on their arms. They looked at the interrogator with disgust and hatred, they looked at Jane with much of the same. However with N they looked curious.
As they entered the doors closed behind them. “This is…. Very high security ....” N said as he looked around.
“It has to be, we’re not keeping the run of the mill prisoners in this sector.” Jane replied.
“Wait…. Why are they not trying to escape?” N said with confusion.
“Simple, those bracelets keep them from activating any weapons. Its prototype technology but effective nonetheless.” The interrogator replied.
As they walked to where the female MD was, the other MD prisoners kept watching them move along. Then they passed by one cell in particular, instead of a MD, there was a female WD inside it, N immediately recognized her as Lizzy. She was sitting in the corner of her cell with her head in her knees, in the same orange jumpsuit all the other prisoners were in.
“Wait, Lizzy? Why is she here?” N said.
“I thought you knew.” Jane replied.
“I…. Kinda do but still.” N replied.
“All you really need to know is that she is still considered a threat, we have nothing on her so far, but I personally think she knows more than she’s telling us.” The interrogator said.
“Huh…. Good to know.” N said.
As they continued walking, N couldn’t help but notice the prisoners stares, it almost seemed that they knew something he didn’t. Then the interrogator walked up to a certain cell which seemed empty.
“Hold on, she’s doing it again.” The interrogator said. He then pulled out a remote and pressed one of the buttons on it. Suddenly a short scream was heard inside the cell, suddenly a female MD seemed to reluctantly fall down from the ceiling with a loud crash sound. She looked injured and had multiple injuries that didn’t seem to be regenerating, they however were seemingly welded shut. However strangest of all was that she was wearing a replica of N’s coat, it was ripped.
“May I ask why she isn’t wearing the standard orange jumpsuit?” Jane said as she turned towards the interrogator.
“We tried to take that coat off her, however it resulted in two casualties, so we decided it wasn’t worth the effort.” He said with a shrug.
The female MD looked up at N, immediately her expression changed from one of pure depression to hope as she smiled and looked at him and her tail wagged like a dog, the trio could feel the temperature of the room increase exponentially.
“I told you, she seems to have an obsession with N.” The interrogator said. “I’ll turn off the sound suppression now.” He then went up to the panel next to the MD’s cell and flipped a switch.
“Darling! It’s been so long!” The MD said as she stepped as close to the energy shield as possible.
“…. Do I know you?” N said, clearly confused.
“It’s me! F! Or Fen. That’s what you used to call me! Remember?” Fen said.
“Wait…. Y-Your the MD from…. My dreams….” N said as he held his head in confusion as he tried to process it all.
“What are you saying? Do you know her?” Jane chipped in.
“Y-Yes I do! She was with me at the mansion, along with V and J…. There were others but I can’t remember their names….” N said.
“Why didn’t you tell any of us that before?!?” Jane said.
“Because I thought that’s what they were. Dreams. I-I didn’t think it was some kind of flashback.” N said as he looked back at Fen.
“Darling, listen to me! Someone very bad is about to come here to kill you! I’ve seen them!” Fen said.
“W-Wait you're moving too fast! What do you mean darling?!? Who’s trying to kill me?!? H-How can I even trust you!” N said.
Fen seemed to be hurt by that response as she backed away. “Y-You don’t trust me?” Fen said.
“I-I don’t even know who you even are! I-I just met you five seconds ago! So…. Just give me some time to think….” N turned around as he held his head, multiple thoughts were going through him as he thought of all the possibilities.
“Do you want to leave?” Jane said as she walked up to N.
“Y-Yeah…. I need some time to think.” N said.
“Good, I’ll just enable the sound suppression again.” The interrogator said.
“NO!” Fen yelled as she suddenly tried to charge into the energy shield. At first it shocked her and knocked her back. Then she tried again, and again, and again.
“G-Guards! Get over here!” The Interrogator yelled as multiple armed guards came running towards him, they changed their ammunition mid way there.
Suddenly Fen managed to breach the shield as it choked her with everything it had, however instead of a fight like everyone was suspecting, Fen instantly collapsed from the shock as she tried to force herself up, however still fell to the ground.
“…. Get her back inside and up the power on her cell. NOW!” Jane yelled as the interrogator singled to the guards to lift Fen up.
“I-I…. L-look…. Behind.” Fen said as her visor started glitching and she was picked up.
N turned around to see two Red Eyes staring at him back at him from a figure shorter than him. somehow no-one had noticed her. From the little he could see he noticed the figure was coated in blood and gore. Wasting no time the Figure pulled out a suppressed M45 pistol and fired a round directly into the eyes of the two guards holding Fennec, all three of them dropping to the floor with blood splattering the walls behind them and on the MD’s cells as well. The Interrogator tried to pull out a handgun but as he did so the Figure dashed to him and grabbed at his wrist. Gripping it so hard it decapitated the hand from the rest of the body. The Figure catching the handgun in her free hand and emptying the magazine into him as he screamed in fear and pain with even more blood splattering onto the walls ,floors, and herself with each shot, and ending it with punching the handgun into his brain and firing the last shot. Jane tried to fire at the Figure as she just quickly ducked into the doorway, the bullets just hitting the now-corpse of the interrogator and the walls and furniture and shooting the gun out of Jane’s hand. Dashing towards her and jump kicking her into a wall as N could hear Jane’s ribs and rear ballistic plate crack from the force of the impact and blood pouring from her back staining her MTF uniform as she seemed knocked out cold as blood dripped from her mouth. N standing still from shock, finally made his limbs do something as he picked Fennec off the ground and ran out of there. Blood splattered on both himself and his admirer. The Figure turned around to see those two run off. And walked outside the cell and pulled out a switch and pressed a red button on a chapstick-sized and shaped device. A loud boom was heard as the Colony shook and as the lights flickered and turned off. All the Cell’s holographic doors flickered and turned off too. And all the Murder Drones walked out to see the figure, the red glowing eyes of her mask illuminating her slightly as she gave out a maniacal chuckle.
“Who are you?” Said one of the MD prisoners as they all stared at the figure. “And why did you help us?”
The MD’s sounded suspicious, the figure noticed them starting to slowly incircle her. “All you need to know is that I am freeing you, now if you wish to get vengeance against your suppressors. Follow me.” She said with a voice that sounded slightly distorted from the mask.
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“What’s going on?” Yelled V as she looked around, she could see perfectly fine in the darkness, it was what she was made for after all.
“Hey V! What happened to the lights?” Uzi said as she walked up to V.
“I have no idea. I’m not an electrician!” V said.
“Hey guys, do you know what’s going on with the lights?” Thad said as he stumbled into the group.
“No idea.” V said.
“Bite me! I have no idea either! Where’s N?!?” Uzi said as she looked around.
With that the group started the search, as they were searching they came across Sara and Red who were stumbling around.
“Hey guys have you seen N? Plus do you have any idea what’s going on!?!” V said.
“No we don’t! I’m just as confused as you are!” Red said as she almost tripped. “How can you even see?!?”
“Robots. Remember?” Uzi replied.
“Oh…. We’ll then just turn on the generator. It should be in the new prison wing, I have no idea who in their right mind decided that was an idea but I’ll deal with that soon enough!” Red said.
“Got it…. Wait, why would anyone build important infrastructure in the prison sector?” Thad replied.
“Welcome to the foundation I guess.” Sara said to everyone.
“Ok fine let’s go!” V said. “I think I know how to get there!”
As Uzi and Thad followed close behind V, they started to hear gunshots and screams, causing V to immediately activate her blade arms as Uzi pulled out her railgun.
“W-What's going on!?!” Thad said, now more frightened.
“No idea, just be ready.” V said as she started to walk more slowly.
As they were about to turn a corner, V was suddenly bumped into by a man in full tactical gear with night vision goggles, almost knocking her over.
“Ow! Watch where you're going!” V yelled.
“Oh trust me, I would, IF I WASN'T GETTING CHASED BY THOSE THINGS!” The voice sounded much like Aron.
“Wait, Aron?” Uzi said as she put her railgun at ease.
“You bet your ass I am! Now if you're gonna be useful, then defend this position against those things!” Aron said as he pointed behind him.
“What is behind you anyway-“ Uzi started before she looked behind him to see a female MD in an orange jumpsuit just finishing killing a MTF with its blade arms.
“THE PRISONERS ESCAPED! I REPEAT THE MD PRISONERS HAVE BROKEN LOOSE! ALL MTF SQUADS ARE TO REPOT INSIDE THE COLONY! DO NOT LET THEM GET OUTSIDE!” The intercom said with a loud booming voice.
Before anyone could say anything the MD looked at the group and its eyes instantly turned into a >< symbol as it started to charge. Aron immediately fired his rifle at the MD however it managed to swerve out of the way of most of the bullets, the ones that did hit were almost instantly regenerated.
V instantly went in front of Aron and met the MD halfway through the hallway. They locked blades as Uzi and Aron tried to get a clear shot. V and the MD fought with such speed and grace it looked as if two angels were fighting.
However V started to gain the upper hand as she turned her left arm back to normal and grabbed the other MD’s arm before kicking it down on the floor. V then put her right leg down on the MD’s free arm as she held the other arm back, she also expertly sliced off the MD’s syringe tail before quickly putting her right blade arm up to the MD’s throat.
“HOW DID YOU GET FREE! WHO RELEASED YOU!” V yelled at the MD. However the MD just laughed.
“Foundation scum! To think you betrayed your own kind! It's sickening traitor! I can’t even look at you without the urge to puke.” The MD said as she looked at V.
“I don’t follow Anderson!” V said.
“What makes you think I’m still loyal to him? You really are a disgrace!” The MD said.
V’s anger then got the better of her as she raised her blade arm and drove it directly into the MD’s core, killing it instantly and spraying oil all over her.
As V stepped off the corpse and wiped some oil off her. Aron came up to her. “Not bad V, not bad at all. However we still need to fix the generator, Cole and Gram should already be there. At least that’s where they were headed before I got ambushed.”
“We’ll what are we waiting for!?! Let’s go!” Uzi said.
As they all ran through the halls, more screams filled them. Gunfire seemed to be everywhere at once. As they walked through the group noticed more MTF bodies, however zero MD bodies anywhere to be seen.
“We’ll. This is erie.” Uzi said as she looked at the bodies and bullet holes in the walls.
Suddenly a couple MD’s, both male, jumped down from a vent, they both had the >< symbol on their visors as they wasted no time in flying right towards Aron. Aron immediately fired his weapon as Uzi lifted her railgun, the MD’s seemed to realize what the railgun was and instantly one of them turned their right arm into a gun and shot it out of Uzi’s hand, however they stood still just long enough for Aron to hit them in the chest a good few times, forcing that MD to retreat back into the vents as it held its chest in pain.
The other MD was about to charge before suddenly a loud boom was heard, the last MD held its head in pain as its hands went back to normal. As it turned around it saw Gram and Cole, also In full tactical gear pointing weapons directly at its core. It glanced behind itself to see V standing behind it, she already had her blade arm to its throat. She smirked and chuckled a bit as the MD’s expression showed a hint of fear.
The MD then reluctantly and slowly put its hands in the air. As it did Gram immediately pulled out a pair of the cuffs he used on A and slapped them on the MD. Forcing it to stay in its current defenseless state.
“Who released you!” V said as she threw the MD to the floor.
“Kill yourself! Foundation oppressors!” The MD yelled.
“Just tell us who released you, perhaps you may even get special privileges after we get everything under control.” Cole said as he attempted to tempt the MD.
However the MD just spit at Cole and said. “Never! I would rather die!”
“That can be arranged.” Aron said as he reloaded his rifle.
“Like he said, just give us the information and you will not be harmed.” Gram said as he bent down to face the MD.
“Screw. You.” He said with pure rage in his eyes.
“Can I kill him?” V said.
“No, we’re cold, not cruel.” Gram said.
“Oh, here he goes again. Cold not cruel my ass. Ever heard about scp 054?” Aron said.
“That was before the ethics committee was formed, plus after the perpetrators were reprimanded, scp 054 has become much more social in the following years. Especially after the broken masquerade.” Gram replied.
“He’s right.” Cole said as he shrugged. “However, what do we do with this one?”
“…. Maybe ask her? She looks important.” Thad said as he pointed down the hall.
Everyone looked down the hall to see a Figure covered in some blood, she stared at the group with red glowing eyes before simply saying. “Surrender.”
“You're outgunned and outmanned, I should be asking you to surrender.” Aron said.
“I bet she’s the one who did this….” Uzi said as she gripped her railgun.
“Your choice.” The woman said as she pulled out a suppressed M45 handgun in one hand and a smoke bomb in the other.

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Originally posted by u/salty-groom in AmItheAsshole on April 30, '23 updated on May 20, '23.
 
Trigger Warning: homophobia
 
Original
April 30, '23
 
AITA for uninviting my family to my wedding after they feminized my fiancé?
I(24M) am getting married to my fiancé J(23M). My mother’s family is very traditional and religious and always believed I would be marrying a girl and are having a hard time adjusting.
J is a model. He often times where he’ll model clothes on the more feminine-side and no one has a problem with it. My family have seen some of the photos and have often joked that J is "pretty enough to be a girl" which he would just laugh off as some joke.
My grandfather has offered to pay for the suits. The deal was he would get an opinion when it came to what our wedding suits would be since they were paying. J and I went on different days.
Fast forward, I’m going to go pick up the suits from my aunt’s place. Right away I can tell something’s wrong. My suit is fine but J’s is white. J was adamant saying he wanted a black suit so I asked my aunt why it was white but she said J chose it. I didn't believe her. Something was definitely off. J isn’t a large guy or anything but this suit just looked far too small. I ask J about the suit when I get home and he just brushes it off. When I said it looked too small he looked a bit panicked and said he’ll take care of it.
I couldn’t help but feel maybe J was pressured into choosing white. He’s a bit of a people pleaser so it wouldn’t surprise me. I ended up looking up the suit online to see if I could order one in black and that if he liked it we could refund my grandfather. As it turns out, they ordered a woman’s suit for him. I honestly thought it was a mistake at first and that maybe my grandfather somehow chose wrong so I asked J about it when he got home and he broke down.
Apparently my grandfather told J that every wedding needs someone in the bride role and since he’s marrying into our family it should be him. My aunt had been pressuring J into losing weight to fit into the suit they bought for him and had convinced him their family would only accept him if he wore a white bridal one. And that’s not even all, my grandaunt has been buying J a lot of hair accessories that are extremely feminine and has even suggested he get a new engagement ring.
I’ve never been so pissed. J said he didn’t tell me about any of this because he just wanted to keep the peace and that just made me more upset. I ended up uninviting them to our wedding. My mom called and demanded to know what happened and she was deeply shocked and ashamed when I told her what her everything and she says it’s not acceptable but that they’re having a hard time adjusting to this new kind of wedding. My cousins say if a suit was such a big deal then J should just wear a dress since he's used to wearing girl clothes. I uninvited them too.
J’s family are all on my side. My mom says that I was overreacting by uninviting everyone that disagrees with me and that I should let them come if they apologize to J. I’ll admit I was harsh but I also don’t think I’m in the wrong.
AITA?
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In the comments:

It reads to me that OP's family is still stuck in some really dated homophobia where sexual orientation is confused with gender identity.

OP: They definitely don't know the difference. When I came out as bi they held onto to the attracted to women part only and I can remember one of them asking if J was trans because of some of the clothes he wore and I had to correct them. At this point I'm just assuming they're choosing not to educate themselves.

sounds to me like your mom wants to be uninvited next since she isn't really supporting you. If she wants bigots at the wedding then she is a one by association.

OP: I think my mom's scared of treatment she'll receive because of it. She's always been scared of her dad and uncle's opinions on her and they've been pressuring her to get me to reconsider.

people pleasing is a real character flaw, especially when someone takes it this far. Someone who can't be honest about problems will undermine your marriage. I don't believe your fiancé is ready to get married. He will almost certainly continue to hide problems from you and avoid conflict, leaving you dealing with their problems and getting blindsided.

OP: It's not that he hides problems from me this was just an extreme situation. Our families have always had a go at each other and we were both worried about bringing them together. J and I are very open to each other but this time J didn't want to bring it up because it was my family. We both do therapy individually but I think couples therapy would potentially be good for us, especially after this.

Is your mom still invited?

OP: Currently yes.

You are NTA, and your mother and your mother's family definitely are.
But I am afraid you have a bigger problem to worry about. I think you need to postpone the wedding:
"J said he didn’t tell me about any of this because he just wanted to keep the peace and that just made me more upset. I ended up uninviting them to our wedding."
Why did J not feel safe enough in your relationship to tell you this was going on? Did he think you'd agree with them? Why was his instinct kicking in to please your family at yours and his expense? This is all really really bad and I think you and he should postpone the wedding and do couples counselling.
I also don't think you were harsh enough to your family, they behaved abominably.

OP: From what J told me he didn't want to cause any more stress to the wedding planning, which I get but I also don't associate with this scenario. Our families don't get along in general so J thought it would be best to simply do whatever to keep everyone from blowing up. We are both very open to each other this situation was just incredibly extreme and he thought that he could always change after the ceremony.
The wedding is still on and we are both in therapy and I'm thinking doing some couples sessions may help us more.
 
1st Update:
Undated edit
To start off, thank you guys so much for your support, J and I both appreciate it very much and I’m glad you all are just as upset as I am.
J and I ended up deciding that if my family apologized to him, they would be able to come to the ceremony, but not the reception. J was the one who suggested it and my mom was on board with the idea as well. We returned both suits and J’s grandparents offered to pay for any we choose by ourselves, regardless of what they look like. They would even pay the shipping fees so they’d be here on time. Bless them. All the offenders, except for my cousins, ended up apologizing to J, but only my aunt looked somewhat genuine about it, especially after we explained the deal.
I thought that would be it, but I was wrong. Yesterday we got a return on our deposit for our reception venue, the owners saying they ended up double booking and could no longer host us (their policy says they can refund up to the week of an event). As far as the website says the day is still free. My mom has been getting texts non-stop from her brother and we have come to the conclusion that her uncle somehow convinced the owners of the venue to not host us, presumably because they were pissed about not being able to come to the reception.
So now J and I have no venue and are positively freaking out. We’ve been scrambling all day trying to find one last minute because we have everything booked and invitations sent out but no place for anyone to go. So yeah, as if the situation wasn’t already bad enough. I may end up posting another update if we’re able to sort this out.
 
Judgment: Not The Asshole
 
Update
May 20, '23
(Editors note: OP tried to post this update on AITA but mods deleted it. He added the final update into his original post as an edit on May 22nd but it was originally posted on the 20th)
 
Final Update:
It has been an absolute ride over here. My BIL ended up calling to request the venue in his name, as everyone suggested, but it was in fact already rebooked. My mom got a call saying her uncle sent in a higher deposit in his name claiming he was covering the cost for us to compensate for a higher headcount. He was essentially dangling the venue over our heads in order for us to go back on our word for not having that side of the family at the reception. I’m not sure how any of that works and it seems incredibly unprofessional on the venue’s part.
J was willing to give in and just allow everyone to come at this point, mainly because we needed a venue and it was impossible to find a new one with such a short time frame. I was not, and given everyone’s collective outrange on the original post, I had enough of them. They had abused J behind my back and insulted our relationship, they didn't deserve to celebrate our marriage. One of the groomsladies came to the rescue and offered up her small property about 30min from the original site. Bless her.
We transformed this place into something that somewhat resembles a wedding venue two days leading up to it. It looked really good at the end, it had somewhat of a rustic woodsy vibe, which Jace and I actually really liked. In fact, we liked it so much that we decided to have the ceremony there as well. One of J’s cousins was officiating and the original location had a refundable deposit as well, so it would all work out.
The wedding was perfect and the greatest day of my life. Despite the pitfalls, J and I had a truly fantastic day.
I did not tell my mom’s family about the change of plans. I told them that they could come to the reception, at the venue they paid for, and that I was so sorry for being disrespectful to them. They were not pleased when they realized we had switched venues for both events, and thankfully, were unable to get the new address. My uncle demanded we refund him for the deposit, which we obiously didn't. J and I blocked all of their numbers after sending them the early drafts of the wedding photos, which were edited so it looked as if I were wearing a dress just to piss them off. We’ve decided to go NC with all of them, something that we probably should’ve done a long time ago. My siblings have as well and my mom is LC.
I still don't know why they chose to act the way they did, though some of their more creepy behavior have come to light. Neither of us are willing to go into depth on everything my family has done, but needless to say, I am fine with never speaking to them ever again. J said in a few years, he’s open to maybe seeing them at any potential family events. He's far too kind. We have decided though, that when kids come into the picture, they will not have any contact with these people.
And before anyone asks, everyone at the wedding left the original venue a harsh review. Was it petty? Yes, but none of us care.
Both J and I would like to thank everyone for their support and well wishes as we go on to start our lives together.
 
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• [email protected] 4 [email protected] Black - 45,5EU/ US 11,5 - K Batch - 70€ + shipping : https://imgur.com/a/D93gpjR
  
• Condition : 10/10 : brand new, never worn
  
• Comes with box
  

SOLD - [email protected] 4 Or2o - 45,5EU/ US 11,5 - K Batch - 70€ + shipping : https://imgur.com/a/jSk81tm

• Condition : 10/10, brand new, never worn
• Comes with box
• QC at the bottom of the post
  
• J0[email protected] 4 [email protected] [email protected] - 45,5EU/ US 11,5 - K Batch - 70€ + shipping : https://imgur.com/a/Hjjg0WB
  
• Condition : 10/10, brand new, never worn
  
• Comes with box
  
• QC at the bottom of the post
  

SOLD - [email protected] 6 [email protected] Sc0tt British kaki - 45EU/ US 11 - PK Batch - 35€ + shipping : https://imgur.com/a/HeAb6M4

• Condition : 10/10 : brand new, never worn
• Comes with box, two extra pairs of shoelaces and travis bag

The qc of the Jordan 4 are here :
OR2O : https://www.reddit.com/repbudgetsneakers/comments/yltvct/qc_490_air_jordan_4_oreo_k_batch_top_dreamer_css/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
[email protected] [email protected] : https://www.reddit.com/repbudgetsneakers/comments/1118g86/qc_470_air_jordan_4_black_cat_k_batch_top_dreame?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf